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gw_poster · Nov 17, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by The Meth

The arc difference between bows doesn't have an effect on BHA as far as I can tell. BHA appears to set the arrow flight time to a specific amount (which is higher then any normal bow shot). If there is indeed a difference between the times BHA takes with different bows its very minor.

no need to over-analyze my comment...pretty straightforward when taken in two parts (including "direct quotes" from wiki - which we all know is "the truth"):

1) Hornbow has a higher arc. "Hornbows also have a relatively high arc, so it is also recommended to use skills such as Read the Wind or Favorable Winds to reduce the arc, making the arrows more accurate.";

and;

2) Broad Head Arrow causes the arrow under its influence to move slower. "In this instance, 'slow moving' means that the arc size of the bowshot is increased dramatically, making it much easier for the intended target to dodge."

as a sidenote: wiki - "though the speed and arc addition from the bow type using it can be lessened though negligible in comparison". This is only dealing with BHA, not specifically the additional arc produced from a hornbow. Point stands.

SO - Given that an arrow fired from a hornbow is easier to dodge, plus (in addition to, "+", etc..) an arrow fired using BHA is easier to dodge...it would figure that a BHA arrow from a hornbow is even easier to dodge.

Simple, yes? That's it. That's all. End of point.

Amy Awien · Nov 17, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

It is fairly small. I've tried it recently with a frame grabber, at shortbow distance flight time was 1.2 sec on the recurve and 1.3 seconds on a flatbow. You might never notice a difference while using it.

Fay Vert · Nov 17, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by The Meth

For those who don't understand, Amy is pointing out I didn't mess with wiki.

My comment was general, not at any specific poster here, or even that page. But if you read the history, you will see that people have been petty arguing Sundering vs Vamp on that page all along

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Originally Posted by gw_poster

1) Hornbow has a higher arc. "Hornbows also have a relatively high arc, so it is also recommended to use skills such as Read the Wind or Favorable Winds to reduce the arc, making the arrows more accurate.";

...

SO - Given that an arrow fired from a hornbow is easier to dodge, plus (in addition to, "+", etc..) an arrow fired using BHA is easier to dodge...it would figure that a BHA arrow from a hornbow is even easier to dodge.

Simple, yes? That's it. That's all. End of point.

Simple no. Not only does BHA have a fixed arc that is not affected by the bow type (frame grabbers have inaccuracy), all bow arcs have variance in them. Just fire any bow at any target, zoom in first person, and look up to see the top of the arc. Now use a window to mark the top of the arc and observe how it changes from arrow to arrow.

Also, Hornbows do not have a longer flight time, they have the same flight time as a longbow and a shortbow over the same distance. They have a slow fire rate.

If you are using BHA, use a Flatbow as you suffer no additional penalty.

gw_poster · Nov 17, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

My comment was general, not at any specific poster here, or even that page. But if you read the history, you will see that people have been petty arguing Sundering vs Vamp on that page all along

Simple no. Not only does BHA have a fixed arc that is not affected by the bow type (frame grabbers have inaccuracy), all bow arcs have variance in them. Just fire any bow at any target, zoom in first person, and look up to see the top of the arc. Now use a window to mark the top of the arc and observe how it changes from arrow to arrow.

Also, Hornbows do not have a longer flight time, they have the same flight time as a longbow and a shortbow over the same distance. They have a slow fire rate.

If you are using BHA, use a Flatbow as you suffer no additional penalty.

lol this is funny...i never said BHA does not have a fixed arc, nor did i imply that arrows shot from hornbows go slower. I merely stated, in terms that i cannot seem to over-simplify, that according to information readily available on wiki based on facts published by a-net concerning guildwars, it is presumed that using BHA on a Hornbow will result in more "dodged" or otherwise missed targets.

I guess I'm done trying to make a point as I keep hitting a wall. In the end, what the hell does it matter - so forget i made any comment, overlook my point and continue as if nothing was mentioned about BHA+Hornbow=More misses, which in my estimation is true. Henceforth, i beseech that you not combine these two in ur pve experiences - but whatever floats ur boat.

Amy Awien · Nov 17, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Frame grabbers are more accurate then looking at partial arcs, going on 'impressions' or just believing it works one way or another. Also, the skill description says "... that moves slower than normal..." which suggests bow type does effect flight time. There is simply no evidence to suggest that it's flight time is not affected by bow type.

byteme! · Nov 18, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Over simplifying in this forum is like teaching a blind man how to read. Good luck with that.

Fay Vert · Nov 18, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by gw_poster

lol this is funny...i never said BHA does not have a fixed arc, nor did i imply that arrows shot from hornbows go slower.

Sorry, I must have got the wrong impression if you never said that

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Originally Posted by gw_poster

high arc (from hornbow) + high arc (from bha) = dodge city (more chance of dodging) --> just saying ur increasing ur chance of a dodge because a hornbow is slower flight time and bha has a higher arc (slower flight time)

No wait...

gw_poster · Nov 18, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by gw_poster

I guess I'm done trying to make a point as I keep hitting a wall. In the end, what the hell does it matter - so forget i made any comment, overlook my point and continue as if nothing was mentioned about BHA+Hornbow=More misses, which in my estimation is true. Henceforth, i beseech that you not combine these two in ur pve experiences - but whatever floats ur boat.

fixed........dude, you guys should be correcting school papers. points be damned, everyone is pro at finding fault at how things are stated, rather than the essence of what was stated...read between the lines

Luminarus · Nov 18, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

At that person who was comparing damage from a longbow to a hornbow... why bother? If you want damage, use either a flat or short for the faster speed. If you want interupts use a recurve for the flight time. If you want spikes run a hornbow for the armor pen. If you want to suck use a long.

At OP... simply swap the weapons. I actually dont bother with a silencing bow in my 4 slots, because apart from some areas there isnt usually a need for them. The only bosses which are deadly enough and dont die fast enough are eotn dungeon bosses, and ive finished eotn so no need anymore.

Sundering's damage increase is pretty pathetic, especialyl in PvE where they have such high armor. Its worth it in pvp (on spikes, but even then I prefer vamp), for the SLIGHT extra damage that might make the spike succeed, but overall its still a gip. Are you saying that a 20% armor penetration 1 in 5 hits, will result in greater damage increase then the 25 you would have done (ignoring the slight heals) with a vamp... I dont think so.